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==Using this category==
==Using this category==
The "SeaMonkey" category and another [[:Category:Seamonkey|Seamonkey category]] (?)  were both created 30 September 2008 and both redirect to the [[:Category:Mozilla Suite|Mozilla Suite category]] right now.  I'm not sure why both were created but I think it's a good idea to have a "SeaMonkey" category.  I was thinking about using the SeaMonkey category, instead of having it as a redirect.  I would like to use the SeaMonkey category right now for SeaMonkey 2 articles (and maybe deleting the "Seamonkey" category, if it was created in error?)
The "SeaMonkey" category and another [[:Category:Seamonkey|Seamonkey category]] (?), both currently empty, were created 30 September 2008 as subcategories under the [[:Category:Mozilla Suite|Mozilla Suite category]] and both redirect there right now.  I'm not sure why both were created but I think it's a good idea to have a "SeaMonkey" category.  I was thinking about using the SeaMonkey category, instead of having it as a redirect.  I would like to use the SeaMonkey category right now for SeaMonkey 2 articles.  I'd also like to delete the additional "Seamonkey" category if it was created in error.  [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 14:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


Mozilla Suite and SeaMonkey 1.x are much more similar to each other than either are to SeaMonkey 2, (e.g., SM2 has a separate Profile Manager and uses profiles.ini). SM2 has more features in common with Firefox/Thunderbird (e.g., it includes an Add-ons Manager, (Helper) Applications interface similar to Firefox 3, includes [[Safe Mode]], [[Software Update]], etc.). For those not familiar with SeaMonkey 2, see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:New_for_2.0 SeaMonkey:New for 2.0 (MozillaWiki)]. That's why I think we should probably keep the Mozilla Suite category as the top-level category and start using the new "SeaMonkey" bub-category for new SeaMonkey articles.
===Articles that apply to SeaMonkey 2===
Mozilla Suite and SeaMonkey 1.x are much more similar to each other than either are to SeaMonkey 2, (e.g., SM2 has a separate Profile Manager and uses profiles.ini). SM2 has more features in common with Firefox/Thunderbird (e.g., it includes an Add-ons Manager, (Helper) Applications interface similar to Firefox 3, includes [[Safe Mode]], [[Software Update]], etc.). For those not familiar with SeaMonkey 2, see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:New_for_2.0 SeaMonkey:New for 2.0 (MozillaWiki)]. That's why I think we should probably keep the Mozilla Suite category as the top-level category (for now at least).


For now, I'd like to place articles that  include information that applies to SeaMonkey 2 (currently in Alpha) under the SeaMonkey category.  That way I can keep track of these "SeaMonkey 2" articles to make it easier to find them for updating, when future changes occur.  Articles that are currently under Mozilla Suite would be moved to the SeaMonkey sub-category.  Articles that are in other categories (e.g., the Profiles or Plugins category) would be added to SeaMonkey as an additional category.  
I'd like to place articles that  include information that applies to SeaMonkey 2 (currently in Alpha) under the SeaMonkey sub category.  That way I can keep track of these "SeaMonkey 2" articles to make it easier to find them for updating, when future changes occur.  Articles that are currently under the top level "Mozilla Suite" category (like [[Installing SeaMonkey]]) would be moved to the SeaMonkey sub-category.  Articles that are in other categories (e.g., the Profiles or Plugins category) would be added to SeaMonkey as an additional category.  


Here are some articles that include SeaMonkey 2 information, which I'd like to include right now in the SeaMonkey category.   
Here are some articles that include SeaMonkey 2 information, which I'd like to include right now in the SeaMonkey category.   
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*[[Profile folder - SeaMonkey]]   
*[[Profile folder - SeaMonkey]]   
*[[Transferring data to a new profile - SeaMonkey]]  
*[[Transferring data to a new profile - SeaMonkey]]  
*[[Moving your profile folder]]
*[[Starting your Mozilla application with a specified profile]]
*[[File types and download actions]]
*[[File types and download actions]]
*[[Issues related to plugins]]
*[[Issues related to plugins]]
 
*[[Breakpad]]
I was also thinking of whether or not to add these other articles to the "SeaMonkey" category.  They apply to SeaMonkey 2 but not 1.x:
*[[Updating add-ons]]
*[[Uninstalling add-ons]]  
*[[Uninstalling add-ons]] <s>(I could optionally rewrite [[Uninstalling extensions - SeaMonkey]] to include SeaMonkey 2)</s>
*[[Safe Mode]]
*[[Safe Mode]]
*[[Software Update]]  
*[[Software Update]]  
[[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 14:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 14:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


Phil adds the following based on [[Category:Firefox]] for consideration:
Phil adds the following based on [[:Category:Firefox]] for consideration:
*[[Dictionaries]]
*[[Dictionaries]]
*[[Editing an add-on to change its compatibility]]
*[[Editing an add-on to change its compatibility]]
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*<s>[[:Category:Plugins]]
*<s>[[:Category:Plugins]]
*[[:Category:Profiles]]</s>
*[[:Category:Profiles]]</s>
'''Update:''' I removed the redirect from [[:Category:SeaMonkey]] and set it up as a sub-category of Mozilla Suite, then added all of the above articles.  [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 01:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


As more SeaMonkey 2 information is added to existing articles (e.g., to [[Issues with SeaMonkey]] and [[Standard diagnostic - SeaMonkey]], which I've recently renamed) they can be placed in the new SeaMonkey category.  We'd eventually need to create new SeaMonkey categories,  such as Profile contents (SeaMonkey) that apply to SeaMonkey 2 profile files, etc.  
As more SeaMonkey 2 information is added to existing articles (e.g., to [[Issues with SeaMonkey]] and [[Standard diagnostic - SeaMonkey]], which I've recently renamed) they can be placed in the new SeaMonkey category.  We'd eventually need to create new SeaMonkey categories,  such as Profile contents (SeaMonkey) that apply to SeaMonkey 2 profile files, etc.  
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Thanks. I also posted a link to this discussion in [[Knowledge Base changes]]. I'll wait awhile then go ahead. [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 14:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I also posted a link to this discussion in [[Knowledge Base changes]]. I'll wait awhile then go ahead. [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 14:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


I see you added some other possible article to include in the SeaMonkey category.  I "struck out" [[:Category:Plugins]] and [[:Category:Profiles]] since I want to start with articles.  Reorganizing categories is a bigger undertaking and probably belongs in another discussion like [[Talk:Rules/Categories]].  Anyway,  [[:Category:Plugins]] and [[:Category:Profiles]]  are  sub-categories of [[:Category:Mozilla Suite]] right now, (the same as they are in other [[:Category:Top_level|top-level categories]]).  We currently have SeaMonkey as a sub-category of Mozilla Suite, whether by design or not, but that's fine with me for now.  As I see it,  if or when we move SeaMonkey to the top-level (once SeaMonkey 2 is released?)  we can realign the subcategories so that the top-level    SeaMonkey application category (as in Firefox,  and Thunderbird),  would include  [[:Category:Plugins]],  [[:Category:Profiles]]  and the other subcategories that currently listed under Mozilla Suite.  What to do with the Mozilla Suite category is another discussion but we may want to "demote" it to a sub-category for Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey 1.x articles that don't apply to SM2, (or maybe move it to the Obsolete category).  I don't want to look that far ahead right now, though.  [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 17:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I see you added some other possible articles to include in the SeaMonkey category.  I "struck out" [[:Category:Plugins]] and [[:Category:Profiles]] since I want to start with articles.  Reorganizing categories is a bigger undertaking and probably belongs in another discussion like [[Talk:Rules/Categories]].  Anyway,  [[:Category:Plugins]] and [[:Category:Profiles]]  are  sub-categories of [[:Category:Mozilla Suite]] right now, (the same as they are in other [[:Category:Top_level|top-level categories]]).  We currently have SeaMonkey as a sub-category of Mozilla Suite, whether by design or not, but that's fine with me for now.  As I see it,  if or when we move SeaMonkey to the top-level (once SeaMonkey 2 is released?)  we can realign the subcategories so that the top-level    SeaMonkey application category (as in Firefox,  and Thunderbird),  would include  [[:Category:Plugins]],  [[:Category:Profiles]]  and the other subcategories that currently listed under Mozilla Suite.  What to do with the Mozilla Suite category is another discussion but we may want to eventually "demote" it to a sub-category of SeaMonkey for outdated Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey 1.x articles that don't apply to SM2 (or maybe move it to the Obsolete category).  I don't want to look that far ahead right now, though.  [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 17:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 
: Just noticed &#8212; and read &#8212; this whole page. About uninstalling extensions: I believe that the whole extensions subsystem is so different in Sm1 and Sm2 that discussing both within a single article could only be confusing. I think two separate articles with nothing more in each of them about the other than a single-line link would be OK. &#8212; [[User:Tonymec|Tony]] 00:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
:: OK, I'll strike that out.  (I did add a very brief section to [[Uninstalling extensions - SeaMonkey]], though,  about the new Add-on Manager in SM2, linking to [[Uninstalling add-ons]].).  [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 02:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Fair enough. &#8212; [[User:Tonymec|Tony]] 02:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
===Proposed category description===
"This category includes articles that apply to the SeaMonkey 2 Internet application suite,  the next generation of [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ SeaMonkey releases]"[**] [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 09:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
[**] <s>The wiki source shows "SeaMonkey releases" with the correct InterCaps, but the display shows "Seamonkey" which is incorrect.</s> [[User:Philip Chee|Philip Chee]] 10:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC).
 
: Here I see a link saying "SeaMonkey releases" with the correct intercaps. Don't know why you don't see it that way. Could it be a skin thing? (I'm using Cologne Blue). &#8212; [[User:Tonymec|Tony]] 10:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
: '''''Now''''' I see it in the correct intercaps. No idea what happened. Must be the mozillazine gremlin at work again [[User:Philip Chee|Philip Chee]] 10:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC).
 
Was that the same gremlin that caused you to create an extra "Seamonkey" category? ...  ;-)  I'll  delete that extra category when I start adding articles to the SeaMonkey category.  I was also thinking about using the [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Home_Page SeaMonkey:Home_Page] link (or a better "SeaMonkey 2" link, if you know of one) and use this as the category description:<br>
"This category includes articles that apply to SeaMonkey 2, the next generation of the [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Home_Page SeaMonkey] Internet application suite." [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice]] 10:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 01:01, 11 February 2009

Using this category

The "SeaMonkey" category and another Seamonkey category (?), both currently empty, were created 30 September 2008 as subcategories under the Mozilla Suite category and both redirect there right now. I'm not sure why both were created but I think it's a good idea to have a "SeaMonkey" category. I was thinking about using the SeaMonkey category, instead of having it as a redirect. I would like to use the SeaMonkey category right now for SeaMonkey 2 articles. I'd also like to delete the additional "Seamonkey" category if it was created in error. Alice 14:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles that apply to SeaMonkey 2

Mozilla Suite and SeaMonkey 1.x are much more similar to each other than either are to SeaMonkey 2, (e.g., SM2 has a separate Profile Manager and uses profiles.ini). SM2 has more features in common with Firefox/Thunderbird (e.g., it includes an Add-ons Manager, (Helper) Applications interface similar to Firefox 3, includes Safe Mode, Software Update, etc.). For those not familiar with SeaMonkey 2, see SeaMonkey:New for 2.0 (MozillaWiki). That's why I think we should probably keep the Mozilla Suite category as the top-level category (for now at least).

I'd like to place articles that include information that applies to SeaMonkey 2 (currently in Alpha) under the SeaMonkey sub category. That way I can keep track of these "SeaMonkey 2" articles to make it easier to find them for updating, when future changes occur. Articles that are currently under the top level "Mozilla Suite" category (like Installing SeaMonkey) would be moved to the SeaMonkey sub-category. Articles that are in other categories (e.g., the Profiles or Plugins category) would be added to SeaMonkey as an additional category.

Here are some articles that include SeaMonkey 2 information, which I'd like to include right now in the SeaMonkey category.

Alice 14:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Phil adds the following based on Category:Firefox for consideration:

Update: I removed the redirect from Category:SeaMonkey and set it up as a sub-category of Mozilla Suite, then added all of the above articles. Alice 01:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

As more SeaMonkey 2 information is added to existing articles (e.g., to Issues with SeaMonkey and Standard diagnostic - SeaMonkey, which I've recently renamed) they can be placed in the new SeaMonkey category. We'd eventually need to create new SeaMonkey categories, such as Profile contents (SeaMonkey) that apply to SeaMonkey 2 profile files, etc.

Any thoughts before I go ahead? Alice 14:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me Philip Chee 14:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC).

Thanks. I also posted a link to this discussion in Knowledge Base changes. I'll wait awhile then go ahead. Alice 14:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I see you added some other possible articles to include in the SeaMonkey category. I "struck out" Category:Plugins and Category:Profiles since I want to start with articles. Reorganizing categories is a bigger undertaking and probably belongs in another discussion like Talk:Rules/Categories. Anyway, Category:Plugins and Category:Profiles are sub-categories of Category:Mozilla Suite right now, (the same as they are in other top-level categories). We currently have SeaMonkey as a sub-category of Mozilla Suite, whether by design or not, but that's fine with me for now. As I see it, if or when we move SeaMonkey to the top-level (once SeaMonkey 2 is released?) we can realign the subcategories so that the top-level SeaMonkey application category (as in Firefox, and Thunderbird), would include Category:Plugins, Category:Profiles and the other subcategories that currently listed under Mozilla Suite. What to do with the Mozilla Suite category is another discussion but we may want to eventually "demote" it to a sub-category of SeaMonkey for outdated Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey 1.x articles that don't apply to SM2 (or maybe move it to the Obsolete category). I don't want to look that far ahead right now, though. Alice 17:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Just noticed — and read — this whole page. About uninstalling extensions: I believe that the whole extensions subsystem is so different in Sm1 and Sm2 that discussing both within a single article could only be confusing. I think two separate articles with nothing more in each of them about the other than a single-line link would be OK. — Tony 00:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
OK, I'll strike that out. (I did add a very brief section to Uninstalling extensions - SeaMonkey, though, about the new Add-on Manager in SM2, linking to Uninstalling add-ons.). Alice 02:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. — Tony 02:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposed category description

"This category includes articles that apply to the SeaMonkey 2 Internet application suite, the next generation of SeaMonkey releases"[**] Alice 09:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

[**] The wiki source shows "SeaMonkey releases" with the correct InterCaps, but the display shows "Seamonkey" which is incorrect. Philip Chee 10:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC).

Here I see a link saying "SeaMonkey releases" with the correct intercaps. Don't know why you don't see it that way. Could it be a skin thing? (I'm using Cologne Blue). — Tony 10:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Now I see it in the correct intercaps. No idea what happened. Must be the mozillazine gremlin at work again Philip Chee 10:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC).

Was that the same gremlin that caused you to create an extra "Seamonkey" category? ...  ;-) I'll delete that extra category when I start adding articles to the SeaMonkey category. I was also thinking about using the SeaMonkey:Home_Page link (or a better "SeaMonkey 2" link, if you know of one) and use this as the category description:
"This category includes articles that apply to SeaMonkey 2, the next generation of the SeaMonkey Internet application suite." Alice 10:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)