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:::Its disturbing that almost everything but the development tools is labeled experimental. I'm using the GData Provider for example, and the only web page that says its experimental is this one. Many Thunderbird extensions and themes are not available at the Mozilla add-ons web site but nobody else appears to label them experimental due to that. Ditto when web sites started offering versions of extensions for Thunderbird 2.0 before it was formally released. Yet you don't caution the user about [http://f17.aaa.livedoor.jp/~every/products/Sunbird/howtouse.html this web site] which is mainly in Japanese , has nightly builds for Lightning , and doesn't look trustworthy to me. [[User:Tanstaafl|Tanstaafl]] 09:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC) :::Its disturbing that almost everything but the development tools is labeled experimental. I'm using the GData Provider for example, and the only web page that says its experimental is this one. Many Thunderbird extensions and themes are not available at the Mozilla add-ons web site but nobody else appears to label them experimental due to that. Ditto when web sites started offering versions of extensions for Thunderbird 2.0 before it was formally released. Yet you don't caution the user about [http://f17.aaa.livedoor.jp/~every/products/Sunbird/howtouse.html this web site] which is mainly in Japanese , has nightly builds for Lightning , and doesn't look trustworthy to me. [[User:Tanstaafl|Tanstaafl]] 09:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
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 +::::'Experimental' now removed from current section titles. (My original thought was that popular well-tested add-ons would be listed in the public directories, and this page would be a resource for potential add-on developers, testers, and early adopters. But similar categories have not developed in the public directories, and addons.mozilla.org is planning to remove the Sunbird app and its categories, so currently I am reluctant to remove add-ons that are no longer experimental. So I have kept the add-ons and removed 'experimental'.)

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This page needs some cleanup. It needs an intro (is this meant to be a list of all extensions?). What is the purpose of the values in the cells? Is a table really the best way to present this info? It should also follow article naming conventions.--Np 17:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, made some changes:
  • Renamed from "Calendar:SunbirdLightningCalendarExtensions" to "Calendaring Extensions Index (Sunbird, Lightning, CalExt)" to better follow article naming conventions
    • Issue: name still unsatisfactory, it currently does not clearly describe that this page indexes extensions to calendaring products, not extensions which are calendaring products.
  • Added intro describing use of table.
  • Added background describing situtation giving rise to desire for this table.
Gc 16:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
That's better... But I didn't mean you had to explain the table in the article, I was just asking general questions about whether it was needed and <how the formatting works. Other than that, the only issue I'd have is that each sentence doesn't need its own paragraph. Just succintly describe what you're doing, don't repeat yourself, and don't say obvious things. As for the article name, what about something simple like "Extensions for Sunbird, Lightning, and CalExt"?--Np 01:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Using Firefox 2.x half of the article is unreadable unless I close the bookmark pane. Its not clear why a history of ancient versions is useful. Pruning it would solve the display problem. Given that three sections don't list the items as supporting recent Lightning or Sunbird versions I suggest you consider dropping the version history from the table and simply list the latest version of Lightning or Sunbird that supports it.

The list of experimental themes doesn't seem useful to a Lightning user. Experimental Window Management Add-ons lists MinimizeToTray as supported by both Sunbird and Lightning but the add-on page says its only for Sunbird. The link for Calendar Item Dialog , Attendees Dialog , and Duration Replacing End is broken. The link for Lightning Multiweek View points to a page that doesn't have it. The link for AutoExport ICS points to the German version of the web page.

I had to do some searching to find out what CalExt (CE) was. Why is a experimental version of a integrated calendar for SeaMonkey treated as a peer given how little support there is for it? Why not provide its own section if its worth mentoning? Google groups thread about FOSDEM talk slides mentions that Lightning is supported by SeaMonkey SuiteRunner. Does that means Lightning works with SeaMonkey 2.0?

I suggest you rename this article something simpler and generic such as Index of Calendar Add-ons. The convention you're trying to follow was not meant to identify that an article applies to multiple applications. Tanstaafl 20:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your many comments. Fixed 6 broken and improved links.
  • Versions: The reasons for multiple versions is explained in the above notes and on the page. There are still have users using the old versions. For example, some of the old versions are much faster than the new versions at interacting with remote hosted calendar files. Also, listing old versions helps potential extension developers find previous work that they could extend or update rather than starting from scratch. Since the old versions scroll off to the right side of the page, most users won't miss them.
  • Themes: I think it would be misleading to list the themes as not compatible with Lightning.
  • Minimize to tray: Fixed. Thanks, this seems to be a change in AMO, it now only lists one application's versions rather than all application versions even though the same xpi installs in several applications. Added a link to the Thunderbird version page.
  • Seamonkey: The Calendar project was originally developed for the Mozilla Application Suite, and Sunbird and then Lightning are forks. So some long time users are with Seamonkey. Lightning for Seamonkey 2.0 is not yet developed or officially supported by the Calendar project. Seamonkey 2.0 has not been released, so the third party experimental project for Seamonkey 1.x gives these users a way forward.
  • Page Name: The naming convention suggests the most distinguishing key word should be first. Index is not a very distinguishing word, Add-ons is more distinguishing. I thought about using Calendar but stuck with Sunbird Lightning Calendar to make clearer to first time users that these pages do indeed apply to Sunbird and Lightning, and they are about Calendar applications like the Calendar project and Mozillazine calendar forum. I agree it makes some titles long.

Gc 22:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you consider moving information about ancient releases or information that is mainly useful only to developers to a supplementary article, that this article links to. By trying to meet the needs of everybody in one place it makes it much less useful for a mainstream user who only cares about Lightning/Sunbird 0.5 and 0.7.
Its disturbing that almost everything but the development tools is labeled experimental. I'm using the GData Provider for example, and the only web page that says its experimental is this one. Many Thunderbird extensions and themes are not available at the Mozilla add-ons web site but nobody else appears to label them experimental due to that. Ditto when web sites started offering versions of extensions for Thunderbird 2.0 before it was formally released. Yet you don't caution the user about this web site which is mainly in Japanese , has nightly builds for Lightning , and doesn't look trustworthy to me. Tanstaafl 09:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
'Experimental' now removed from current section titles. (My original thought was that popular well-tested add-ons would be listed in the public directories, and this page would be a resource for potential add-on developers, testers, and early adopters. But similar categories have not developed in the public directories, and addons.mozilla.org is planning to remove the Sunbird app and its categories, so currently I am reluctant to remove add-ons that are no longer experimental. So I have kept the add-ons and removed 'experimental'.)