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| 1. Why do we have two articles entitled "Keyboard Shortcuts" (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Keyboard_shortcuts and http://kb.mozillazine.org/Keyboard_Shortcuts ), plus a more complete, presumably more official article at http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/keyboard , PLUS the Help menu? Surely the Help menu is sufficient, and it's specific to the OS. There's no actual harm in the articles, except that they encourage users never to look at the Help menu. --[[User:AnotherGuest.|AnotherGuest.]] 12 Feb 07
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| :Redirect both to the official article. It's not necessarily bad to have our own list because we could include popular extensions and other apps, but ours aren't up to date and no one's maintaining them.--[[User:Np|Np]] 23:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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| ::The first article is more task oriented and provides advice, while linking to the Mozilla page for the actual list of shortcuts. I think they address different needs. I recommend getting rid of the second article and making the link to the Mozilla documentation more prominent. The help menu actually appears the least useful, its a subset of the windows section of the Mozilla web page on my system. [[User:Tanstaafl|Tanstaafl]] 00:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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| :::Different needs? They all list keyboard shortcuts. Period. If the user needs to be told to press the keys to use the keyboard shortcuts, that user will probably never find the article anyway. For basic directions, users are supposed to consult the user's manual (which doesn't exist) or the Help menu. If the help menu is incomplete or important information is omitted, that's a bug that should be fixed, and the effort should go into fixing it instead of trying to saturate the Internet with directions.
| | [[Problematic_extensions/New_format]] seems like an old page that Np created to experiment with a new format for [[Problematic_extensions]]. Its not hurting anything but it would be nice to get rid of it. [[User:Tanstaafl|Tanstaafl]] 14:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC) |
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| :::The only substantial difference I can find is that the Help menu is arranged by function, while the articles are arranged alphabetically. Other than that, the menu has 58 entries for shortcuts, while the first article has 67. The only extra entry I found was "toggle checkbox". The second article seems to be for Mozilla Suite, and maybe for Firefox -- sort of -- so it would be a mistake to link it to the www.mozilla.org Firefox article. If it covers Firefox it should say so; if not, remove the category. What it covers should be explicit and clear.
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| :::I don't see what any of these articles adds to the Help menu. Unless someone is volunteering to maintain the articles and keep them current.... My recommendation: link the first article to www.mozilla.org and remove any Firefox categories and any mention of Firefox from the second -- then let Mozilla Suite people fend for themselves on the second article. --[[User:AnotherGuest.|AnotherGuest.]] 14 Feb 07
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| :I've redirected "Shortcuts" to "shortcuts". I'm giving more time for discussion on what to do with "shortcuts".--[[User:Np|Np]] 18:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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| ::My main objection is it seemed like a reflex reaction to get rid of any article that had a rough Mozilla equivalent. There is a difference between a task oriented and a reference article, even if they list the same shortcuts. However, the first article is not that useful so I have no problem with both articles either being deleted or redirected to the Mozilla web page. [[User:Tanstaafl|Tanstaafl]] 02:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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| 2. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_Netscape_Mail_with_Thunderbird is obsolete since AOL discontinued the Netscape webmail service August 25, 2006 and has migrated all of those users to either AOL or AIM accounts . That means they're using a IMAP account, rather than a add-on for webmail, and should use http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_AOL_Mail_with_Mozilla instead. We could redirect the article instead of deleting it, but enough time has passed that I don't see any reason to do that. [[User:Tanstaafl|Tanstaafl]] 02:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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| : Your choice but I would lean to redirecting [[Using_Netscape_Mail_with_Thunderbird]] to [[Using_AOL_Mail_with_Mozilla]], which already says that "Netscape mail accounts have been migrated to AIM mail". I added the aim settings to the AOL article (imap.aim.com and smtp.aim.com) based on http://about.aol.com/faq/openmailaccess#othermail [[User:Alice Wyman|Alice Wyman]] 19:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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| : Redirecting's better than deleting and appropriate in this case.--[[User:Np|Np]] 20:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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| ::Okay. I'll redirect it. Last time I checked they hadn't updated the SSL certificate and you had to use imap.cs.com if you wanted a SSL connection to the IMAP server. I'll do some experimenting to confirm that and add more information about AIM to the AOL article. [[User:Tanstaafl|Tanstaafl]] 08:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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