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I'm definitely all for this page being protected. I do have a few comments though:
== Locking ==
I'm locking the Main Page due to vandalism. If things need editing, post it here and I'll try to frequent it as much as possible to update the page or prod me in irc.mozilla.org/#wiki (if I'm away, leave a message and feel free to make faces at me).


Shouldn't there be a category listed here for information ''about'' the Mozilla Knowledge Base? Copyright notices? "About"? Rules and conventions? Help text? We could put all of this under one category -- right now it's a bit scattered around. For example, the [[MozillaZine Knowledge Base : Formatting | "how to edit"]] and [[Rule | "rules"]] pages are linked at the top, and there's a nearly empty [["About" | MozillaZine Knowledge Base:About]] page linked under "Appendix". (Speaking of which, some of these pages use space-colon-space, and some use a simple colon. Is this just a mistake?)
:I'm designing a layout that I think wil be easier for first-time browsers of this site. Please check my [[User:Stex | Userpage]] to see what I am doing [[User:Stex|Stex]] 07:20, 6 Jul 2005 (PDT)


Second, I think it's confusing to have the header of the categories be a link to a separate page, not to a listing of the contents of the category. For example, the Introduction header is both a link and a category heading. I think it would be far more intuitive for users if the heading were unlinked, and the relevant links were put below. Even worse, the [[Intro]] and [[Intro : Summary]] pages that are linked in this manner are redundant, and seem to overlap. This is pretty confusing.
== Bugzilla ==
You should put Bugzilla in under Other Mozilla.org Applications.  Better yet, replace these links with a working category feature, a la Wikipedia.  Right now, the [[MediaWiki:Categories]] page is protected and includes the exciting text "Categories" and only that.  Alternatively, [[Special:Categories]] includes a grand total of 6 different categories, none of which include that categories on the main page.  [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] 12:30, 5 Feb 2005 (PST). As an example of what we could have, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Browse_by_category Wikipedia:Browse by category]. Note, I realize that this isn't aspiring to be Wikipedia, and it shouldn't be, but this could make the system much more organized. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] 12:30, 5 Feb 2005 (PST)
: This looks promising. Any way to get categories to "embed" themselves into the front page? I want users to have a working table of contents with links to various places the moment they arrive at the front page. There's also the issue of whether or not a sysop can protect a category from inclusion, so that the sysop still has a tight rein on whether or not something appears to a user the first time he arrives here (like the protection we have on the front page right now to prevent links to any articles/links from being added).
:: The front page will probably have to be edited manually to point to categories; please discuss this on [[Talk:Rules]] and [[Talk:Rules/Categories]]. --[[User:Asqueella|asqueella]]


What is everyone else's opinion on all this? [[User:Adam Conover|Adam Conover]] 17:54, 19 Feb 2004 (PST)
== Removed resolved issues ==
Removed resolved issues, you can see them in page history. --[[User:Asqueella|asqueella]] 08:14, 30 Mar 2005 (PST)


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== suggestion: style change ==


Just managed to compile Firefox from source and I thought to put compile instructions into knowledge base. How ever, it seems that we don't have developer section around. All thought, compile instructions could go under installation instructions too...
By using the default wikimedia skin this wiki looks sadly unprofessional. By comparison with the beautifully designed MozillaZine header, the bottom part of the page seems to have simply being forced.
Wikimedia [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles has a gallery of user styles] (most of them licensed as a free document) that serves as an example of how simple changes (like the color-schema) could give more life to this knowledge base. You want to be Mozillazine, not a wikipedia looking amateur wiki.


Should we have page for developers and page for installation instructions (respectively for each product, of course)?
[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:CheopsSkin.png Cheops] might give you an idea of a warmer look for this page, and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:MiniMenu.png MiniMenu] shows the wonderful possibilities the wiki has.
--[[User:Avsa|Avsa]] 20:18, 18 Apr 2005 (PDT)


Why don't you put it in firefox:hints and tips?
:Agreed, I'd love to see a better-looking style, but that depends on finding someone willing to implement it! --[[User:Mozcerize|Mozcerize]] 01:01, 19 Apr 2005 (PDT)
Just add a section like:
''make firebird even faster? build it yourself using optimizations''


[[User:Heroist|Heroist]] 11:34, 11 Feb 2004 (PST)
== The Mozilla Thunderbird Help link ==


jgraham: Can we have a Gecko section on the front page? I want to do things like "Truetype MathML fonts under Linux" which aren't app specific.
Hi,
In the section on Mozilla Thunderbird the links are 'dead'!
I think you need to change this:


Neuromancer: Re: putting it in hints and tips: doesn't really fit with the other tips. a dev category makes more sense
<p>Need more help?  Visit <a href='http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/support.html' class='external' title="http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/support.html">Mozilla Thunderbird Help</a><span class='urlexpansion'> (<i>http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/support.html</i>)</span> or browse the <a href="/Thunderbird_:_Links" title ="Thunderbird&nbsp;: Links"> Thunderbird links</a> page.
</p>


I have to say I agree with the sugestion for a developer section, there's definitely information that should be here but shouldn't be in the way of end user support [[User:Finuvir|rparle]]
TO:
<p>Need more help?  Visit <a href='http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/' class='external' title="http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/">Mozilla Thunderbird Help</a><span class='urlexpansion'> (<i>http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/</i>)</span> or browse the <a href="/Thunderbird_:_Links" title ="Thunderbird&nbsp;: Links"> Thunderbird links</a> page.
</p>


michaell 16 Feb: I just fixed the links in the "worth a bookmark" section, but I don't see the point in having these.  The same links already exist further up the page.
: Done. --hao2lian


Navigation should be incorporated, I think this is easier done using the current
==Templates==
category scheme in the 'private' wiki code in a generic way then for every wiki page
anew. Navigation means I can go up in the structure of categories to it's base [[User:Heroist|Heroist]] Illustration on top of this page


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Is there a Special page which lists all the templates available? I can't find it if there is! If there isn't we should definitely create one, because I can never find the templates that I'm looking for (to remind myself of their exact title). --[[User:Mozcerize|Mozcerize]] 02:16, 4 Jun 2005 (PDT)
==Developers==
:I would also like to know this. --[[User:Wintogreen|Wintogreen]] 02:30, 17 Jun 2005 (PDT)
''help for hackers''
::Seems that [[Special:Allpages]] ought to look instead like [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Allpages this one], where you can choose to show all articles in a  certain namespace. Are we using an outdated wiki version? --[[User:Wintogreen|Wintogreen]] 10:02, 20 Jun 2005 (PDT)
is a contamination, please revert to:
==Dev==
''help for hackers''


Too make sure the subtitle is informative.  [[User:Heroist|Heroist]]
==Directing people to the forums==
 
Would it be possible on the kb account creation/login page (i.e., [[Special:Userlogin]]) to include a boldfaced line referring people to the forums? There seem to be more and more pages like [[User talk:SciFiPecan]], and maybe something like <nowiki>{{noquestions}}</nowiki> on the login page would deter some of these people. --[[User:Wintogreen|Wintogreen]] 02:30, 17 Jun 2005 (PDT)
or make it
:I would also like this to be implamented. It is a very good idea [[User:Stex|Stex]] 04:10, 6 Jul 2005 (PDT)
==Development==
''help for hackers''
 
Go with "Development". "Dev" is completely uninformative. [[User:Adam Conover|Adam Conover]] 09:15, 20 Feb 2004 (PST)
 
Doesn't the subtitle completely, inform anybody about the purpose
of the page? I think Dev is a seriously ''cooler'' title than the smudgy:
''developer''. (cooler=better :-) [[User:Heroist|Heroist]]
 
Well, "Dev" is an abbreviation, and less easy to understand than "Developers" or "Development". The point of the KB is to help people find information quickly and easily, not to be cool. In the same way, the [[mirrors]] page used to say "mirrors++" instead of "Add a mirror", which was fine as a programmer's in-joke, but was unintelligible to anyone who didn't know how to program. [[User:Adam Conover|Adam Conover]] 13:14, 20 Feb 2004 (PST)
 
ALL hackers know how to program; LoL
 
I guess now it's just a case of intended audience, which coincides with the
relevance of the proposed subject.
 
If the audience is educated hackers, I suggest dev,
if the audience is mainstream, I suggest development.
Dev should be for educated hackers, all trivia should reside in other
categories, ''tips and tricks''
 
If not, I suggest there should still be a separate category for serious dev
documentation in which in-jokes are required. That category would be dev.
 
Otherwise change the subtitle to ''developers go here''
 
So it is not actually strange to close the dev category slightly to mainstream
audience, we do not offer cvs access on the frontpage either.
 
Moreover since this page is a wiki, it is very suitable for developers to
maintain some sort of documentation of their project here, since it can be updated alongside coding practice. My view of a dev category corresponds more with this type of theme then the current development idealogy. Dev should open up the mozilla
hacking to people, ofcourse with a certain threshhold.
 
(I would encourage even elaborate compilation instructions on the tips and tricks page
underneath something like: ''improve firefox performance'')
 
[[User:Heroist|Heroist]] 20:24, 20 Feb 2004 (PST)
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'''Poor search engine'''
Is there any way to make improvements to the search engine?  If you search for a word which happens to be in the title of one or more pages then you are taken straight to one of those pages and so are unable to see any other search results.
For example, searching for "password" takes you straight to [[Firefox_:_FAQs_:_Master_password_settings]] so that you can't see other search results such as [[Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Set_a_Master_Password]]. [[User:Wildhart|Wildhart]] 08:40, 20 Feb 2004 (PST)
 
LoL, you just have to click '' Search''  instead of '' go ''  [[User:Heroist|Heroist]]
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I propose adding a Marketing (or Evangelism, or ...?) section. Yes? Title?
 
Further, if we do add such a section, I propose starting it off with a transfer of content from http://wiki.mozdev.org:8080/cgi-bin/mozdev-wiki.pl?ProjectMarketing. This was something I began developing a while back, then life intervened. No?
[[User:Raiph|raiph]] 22:54, 13 Apr 2004 (PDT)

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This talk page is not for support questions. If you have a question or an issue with any of the Mozilla products, use the forums.

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Locking

I'm locking the Main Page due to vandalism. If things need editing, post it here and I'll try to frequent it as much as possible to update the page or prod me in irc.mozilla.org/#wiki (if I'm away, leave a message and feel free to make faces at me).

I'm designing a layout that I think wil be easier for first-time browsers of this site. Please check my Userpage to see what I am doing Stex 07:20, 6 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Bugzilla

You should put Bugzilla in under Other Mozilla.org Applications. Better yet, replace these links with a working category feature, a la Wikipedia. Right now, the MediaWiki:Categories page is protected and includes the exciting text "Categories" and only that. Alternatively, Special:Categories includes a grand total of 6 different categories, none of which include that categories on the main page. Superm401 12:30, 5 Feb 2005 (PST). As an example of what we could have, see Wikipedia:Browse by category. Note, I realize that this isn't aspiring to be Wikipedia, and it shouldn't be, but this could make the system much more organized. Superm401 12:30, 5 Feb 2005 (PST)

This looks promising. Any way to get categories to "embed" themselves into the front page? I want users to have a working table of contents with links to various places the moment they arrive at the front page. There's also the issue of whether or not a sysop can protect a category from inclusion, so that the sysop still has a tight rein on whether or not something appears to a user the first time he arrives here (like the protection we have on the front page right now to prevent links to any articles/links from being added).
The front page will probably have to be edited manually to point to categories; please discuss this on Talk:Rules and Talk:Rules/Categories. --asqueella

Removed resolved issues

Removed resolved issues, you can see them in page history. --asqueella 08:14, 30 Mar 2005 (PST)

suggestion: style change

By using the default wikimedia skin this wiki looks sadly unprofessional. By comparison with the beautifully designed MozillaZine header, the bottom part of the page seems to have simply being forced. Wikimedia has a gallery of user styles (most of them licensed as a free document) that serves as an example of how simple changes (like the color-schema) could give more life to this knowledge base. You want to be Mozillazine, not a wikipedia looking amateur wiki.

Cheops might give you an idea of a warmer look for this page, and MiniMenu shows the wonderful possibilities the wiki has. --Avsa 20:18, 18 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Agreed, I'd love to see a better-looking style, but that depends on finding someone willing to implement it! --Mozcerize 01:01, 19 Apr 2005 (PDT)

The Mozilla Thunderbird Help link

Hi, In the section on Mozilla Thunderbird the links are 'dead'! I think you need to change this:

Need more help? Visit <a href='http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/support.html' class='external' title="http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/support.html">Mozilla Thunderbird Help</a> (http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/support.html) or browse the <a href="/Thunderbird_:_Links" title ="Thunderbird : Links"> Thunderbird links</a> page.

TO:

Need more help? Visit <a href='http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/' class='external' title="http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/">Mozilla Thunderbird Help</a> (http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/) or browse the <a href="/Thunderbird_:_Links" title ="Thunderbird : Links"> Thunderbird links</a> page.

Done. --hao2lian

Templates

Is there a Special page which lists all the templates available? I can't find it if there is! If there isn't we should definitely create one, because I can never find the templates that I'm looking for (to remind myself of their exact title). --Mozcerize 02:16, 4 Jun 2005 (PDT)

I would also like to know this. --Wintogreen 02:30, 17 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Seems that Special:Allpages ought to look instead like this one, where you can choose to show all articles in a certain namespace. Are we using an outdated wiki version? --Wintogreen 10:02, 20 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Directing people to the forums

Would it be possible on the kb account creation/login page (i.e., Special:Userlogin) to include a boldfaced line referring people to the forums? There seem to be more and more pages like User talk:SciFiPecan, and maybe something like {{noquestions}} on the login page would deter some of these people. --Wintogreen 02:30, 17 Jun 2005 (PDT)

I would also like this to be implamented. It is a very good idea Stex 04:10, 6 Jul 2005 (PDT)